New default shortcuts (table) #1488
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I want feedback on the tables, should we have more columns? Then, for now we should gather all key strokes we have and want to have to get an overview of what we need to organize. Comment so I can update or update yourself, but a comment would be nice still, maybe another person have valuable feedback. I can start. I think a short cut for adding a new channel in the FX mixer would be nice. Even better, if that shortcut is fairly easy to click, it could be combined with a number which would tell how many channels you add. E.g. Ctrl + Insert + 8 would add eight new channels. |
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This is really about improving our shortcuts, not counting them. I recommend taking out those that are not under scrutiny, i.e. Project Notes. Also, CTRL+C, CTRL+V, CTRL+X isn't really under scrutiny either unless there is some inconsistencies... I commend your effort, but I think your list is so long you'll get a lot of TLDR's on it... If you can condense the problem shortcuts into a table at the very top that we can all examine and talk about, I think you'll get some good feedback from it. |
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An idea to consider: If the Shift-letter shortcuts in the Piano Roll were changed into something else, the keyboard piano feature could have double the current range. Press shift to shift notes one octave up or something like that. And where could those be moved? I've used Rosegarden a fair bit lately, it has tool selection on F2-F6, it felt much more logical to me when the keys were ordered like the GUI buttons and not some Shift-[EDST] arrangement. Maybe something like that? |
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On 12/23/2014 09:46 AM, Raine M. Ekman wrote:
Or we could do it like it's done in trackers: keep track of an octave |
Yes, and how can we look away from other shortcuts when changing some, they might conflict? I agree on keeping those the same. I think I will do most of the work, as I original thought, I was a little bit confused when you @tresf suggested making this thread cause then I thought you wanted it to be strictly democratic, but I can see that won't happen because there is a huge workload lying here, you can't just chime in and say "I want Shift to be shortcut for XXX". Someone (I) would have to make sure that would fit with the rest of the chart anyway. I will make more changes to the tables and bring the important ones to the top so you can see, maybe make a new table on top which better reflects the new logic. Then I will add different suggestions (if I find several) and we can decide which suggestion is the best. |
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first 👍 Stian for setting this up |
Yeah, I'd propose any objections with our current shortcuts should be summarized in the original post. |
Yeah, nothing is really democratic in the pure sense because the software can't operate that way and still get better. Furthermore, most of our shortcuts are just fine. What we need to discover is where they are bad, inconsistent or missing, and a good comparison can help bring this to light (or someone with an extra hour of time stares at the charts we already have and starts asking questions). |
like I already did in #1338 I'll add more columns to the tables we need to change. |
:) That other thread should probably be marked as duplicate of this one and closed out. |
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Uups, wrong issue. |
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Would you care for being able to use LMMS without a mouse, like on a webpage where tab bring up a cursor you can use to jump to all clickable elements on the page, or would you never see that being useful in LMMS? Updated: FYI, the + and - sign isn't used for anything, and although it could be used to zoom, it could also be used to move the cursor deeper into the program. By using + and arrow keys you could for example go Main Window --> Song Editor --> Triple Oscillator --> Volume knob. Most laptops supports zooming with the touchpad if they don't want to use the dropdown menu. And it would perhaps be hell of a work if Qt don't have some options for selecting windows other than with mouse. Well, I'll see if I can leave the plus and minus sign alone just in case. |
Perhaps. Once focusable, this should work tho. Just add tab/shift tab for setting focus to adjacent elements. We should be able to standardize that where appropriate (i. e. Not project notes!). That is a reasonable request/expectation/standard. |
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@tresf @softrabbit @musikBear tagging you because you have been active in this topic. I am now finished gathering all shortcuts. The conflicting shortcuts you can find by looking for the word inconsistent in the "attention because" column. So if you want you can work out new shortcuts for yourself now (I didn't influence you), or you can wait a little bit longer for my proposal. Do you feel I should make my own column for my proposals, or will you take it for granted that the new shortcuts are my proposal? A question for @diizy , would LMMS ever have a context menu for notes in the Piano Roll? |
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Thanks. Can we consolidate them into a table or bulleted list so we can begin crossing them off? :) -Tres |
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a online spreadsheet where peeps could make a sugest collumn, could be an idea? |
Perhaps if we have an overwhelming amount of suggestions.... but so far we don't, please use this bug report to make recommendations. |
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I can put the inconsistent ones in a check box list, on top. If you really are to suggest your whole own list, I could try to put them in a G doc. |
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Should right click should be reserved for a context menu in the PR, after all it's pretty much a de facto standard? Delete could be the top choice in that menu to keep it compatible-ish for those that have the habit of deleting that way, other possible menu items off the top of my head:
The proposed razor OTOH is totally suited for a tool; you don't only click a note, you click in the spot where it's supposed to be split, right? |
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On 12/30/2014 04:32 PM, Raine M. Ekman wrote:
We should still have a quick shortcut for deleting notes, maybe |
I tend to favor the right-click-delete functionality, however Middle-click would be consistent with the Song Editor, which currently doesn't function with a modifier key yet. |
This is my understanding, yes.
I assume this would work in conjunction with the selection tool and be grayed-out if only a single note is selected? |
The problem with middle-click is that a lot of touchpads can't perform that action, and there are a lot of laptop users out there. That's my point of view. |
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On 12/30/2014 05:37 PM, Umcaruje wrote:
I tried using LMMS with a touchpad the other day, and even disregarding So, since using LMMS without a proper mouse is just a pain in the ass |
So, because you don't use a touchpad, and can't get around using one daily, many users with touchpads and laptops should suffer of not deleting notes in the piano roll? |
Add ctrl+shift+a to deselect all notes in piano roll (#1488)
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Yup, Tres, added. Reason I haven't made progress on this is partly BoL v2, partly life, and partly that I didn't manage to build LMMS on my Ubuntu when I tried this Easter. Not sure I'll have so much more time now since exams are coming up, but I will definetely try again to build somewhere after 22nd of May. |
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@Sti2nd, perhaps we track the QT5 stuff in a separate conversation? |
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The delete key could be used for the general keyboard shortcut delete function. |
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Let's get rid of |
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@Sawuare can we have both? |
Because UX doesn't have to be a one-way street. Did you know that Firefox allows |
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Is there any work done to make custom shortcuts an option? Default shortcuts are totally arbitrary and should be possible to change. Not being able to use LMMS without a mouse is actually my biggest reason for not using it, but even if I were able to and had shortcuts I couldn't change.. that would be tough. |
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@jayknowstheway Yes 1475. not sceduled |
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I think the drag on control really have a strict demand on having a mouse connected to the machine. Seems like currently it is almost impossible to use it only with keyboard. |
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Okay... I missed the one upon me |
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As part of a pruning effort, this |
Phase 4; Revision 1 in progress
Goals:
Tables based on the existing http://lmms.io/wiki/index.php?title=1.0:Key_Mappings
SE = Song Editor, PR = Piano Roll, AE = Automation Editor
Piano Roll
Song Editor
Automation Editor
(Editors with) Time line and playback controls
Other
Instrument Plugins
Project Notes
Main Window (i.e. works anywhere)
Needs to be coded Very unfinished WIP
Related to:
#1338 #1144 #1122 #535 #1429 #1421 #728 #822 #746 #615 #1553 #1643 #625 #621
Could be debatable if one should change the default ones before #1475
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