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A/B Testing Message Variable Creation (March release) #1206
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I've created an entry in the data dictionary change log for the new A/B testing message variable. I have a few follow up questions to complete this entry:
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Adding questions about the A/B power calculations to this thread to discuss at tomorrow's meeting:
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It's helpful to see this issue after the conversation today. Since this confirms that we do need a new variable to capture the data, then from the analyst perspective, I would like it sent at the same time as the other de-identified demographic variables. @anthonypetersen does this work for you too? @depietrodeanna could you provide @hullingsag with the 6 message types for the response portion of the variable? They can be modified later if needed, but this way we can create the variable and assign concept IDs. |
That works @FrogGirl1123 To confirm, the de-identified process is when they use the |
Yes, @anthonypetersen |
@mnataraj92 has a data dictionary change log been made to add variables for the denominator CID as well as the various responses? |
There's a change log entry but it's not yet complete; once Deanna provides Autumn with the variable responses and Nicole approves the entry, I can work with Autumn to get it into the dictionary. |
Hi @anthonypetersen We're going to need to make this a State variable if we want the sites to push this with the other de-identified data sent when a recruit is made active, submitPaticipantData API. If we don't care about the timeliness of getting this information then it can be sent through the update participant data API. I prefer the first option, but I can be flexible if it's a problem. |
There was a consensus at the last A/B WG meeting around abandoning the creation of this variable in exchange for using the token as a way to randomize recruits into 6 even-ish groups for this experiment. Renelle is sending out a finalization email to the group to codify that decision. If we proceed with this approach, we no longer need this new variable and can close this issue. I will update this group ASAP. |
@depietrodeanna , I saw the email, I'm confused as to how this gets us the denominator? Creation of a token doesn't mean the invite was sent. Also when we made that decision on this week's call it was without reference to the previous meeting, because no one seemed to remember what the previous decision was or why. |
@FrogGirl1123 is there a way for us to ingest all the tokens for recruits that have actually received an invitation? That would get us the denominator, I think. @brotzmanmj adding you here given our discussion this morning. |
@depietrodeanna if we are generating the tokens when the study IDs are sent, then we can use the setting of the not active to active flag to determine which "special" tokes received invites and use the last two digits to determine which communication they received. It's not as straight forward but we could do it. If the sites are generating the tokens it gets a bit more convoluted. |
hi, we would generate the tokens as usual, sites would not generate tokens. we would need to know the start date and end date of the experiment at each site when they go live with the a/b testing. during that time period all tokens that become active recruits (known to us by de-identified data sent date) sites would assign a message group based on last digit of token. HP would define the randomization plan, all sites would have to follow. does that work? |
Thanks, Michelle! Yes, that works. |
Thanks, Michelle. Just to note, as we may need to come to a firm decision on this, HP suggested on the call Tuesday that they did not intend to include every active recruit during the timeframe of this experiment in the actual experiment, just a subset. Would that present any challenges (i.e., would we be able to distinguish which active recruit tokens from HP were involved in the experiment or no?) |
to my mind that complicates things. we need a clear way to know who was included or not. if we cannot make a straightforward accurate assumption about this for analysis, I suggest we create the variable |
Makes sense to me. I'll circle back with the HP. To use the token scheme, it sounds like all participating sites need to agree to use all active recruits during the timeframe of this experiment in order to avoid creation of another variable. |
Decision- we are going to pursue the original plan of creating a new variable. @hullingsag is there a length or format for the 6 response options I should follow? Can they be something like, "altruism personal," "altruism general," "cancer connection personal," "cancer connection general," "research personal," "research general" or similar? |
This variable has been added to the data dictionary change log and its waiting on approval. The responses are coded as: We are still waiting on the following information: @FrogGirl1123 or @mnataraj92 - could you help with these questions? |
Additional requirements from leads mtg yesterday: Send via submitParticipantData api- doesn't need to be in real time and we don’t need to set a date based on it. Eventually would like sites to send in real time as part of de-identified data push. |
just a reminder that we ask / encourage sites to only use the submitParticipantData API once per participant |
thanks Tony, so if they are not able to send in real time with the de-id data push, they should send using updatePartcipantAPI? |
I think that's why it was suggested we allow them to send it with either API |
perfect, thanks |
Answers to these questions, from our perspective, answers are all no. |
CID for A/B testing message responses variable: state_d_956485028 Response CIDs: |
We need a new message variable created in order to consume the denominator of recruits who were sent each A/B message iteration as part of the experiment. New var will have 6 levels (one for each message option). Each recruit will have one of the six messages sent to them as part of this experiment.
The sites will need to either push the new var as part of the deidentified data they normally send upfront for recruits, or just record it on their side and send us these data in a batch at the end of the experiment.
Question for Dev team- do all the sites have to send the new var the same way/time (in real time or after the close of the experiment), or can they make individual decisions around when to send use these data based on what they prefer? Unsure if the timing has implications for data QC on our end. Pending input and decision from @anthonypetersen and @FrogGirl1123.
After var is created, @hullingsag to add to DD and we will give Concept ID to sites. Will require testing as part of the Feb release work. Question for Dev- in the letter experiment, we asked all participating sites to test sending the new var in Dev and Stage; do we need to do the same for the A/B work for this new message var?
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