PCB orders and status

[eabase]

I would love to order a PCB with all the components already included and placed.

1. What is the current design status of PCB?
2. From where can we order these PCB's?
3. Can they get both made and populated?

[justLV]

Pending any hardware optimizations (as mentioned in other issue you opened), I'll open the Crowd Supply campaign. They'll take care of all fulfillment and buy up inventory so that I can just place a batch order, making it simple to order from them.

[DanielHabenicht]

Hey @eabase, sorry for hijacking the thread. I'd also like to try out the PCB but PCBWay only lets me order 5 at a time.
If you or anybody else is interested and geographically near (Germany). I can purchase 5 and distribute them.

That would be 17,39$ per Unit + Shipping

[jwhengeveld]

Hey @eabase, sorry for hijacking the thread. I'd also like to try out the PCB but PCBWay only lets me order 5 at a time. If you or anybody else is interested and geographically near (Germany). I can purchase 5 and distribute them. That would be 17,39$ per Unit + Shipping

Hi! Count me in (Netherlands), I would like to buy 1 or 2 pieces

[davenewham]

@DanielHabenicht does that include component cost? I think that might be additional...

Even so, I wouldn't mind taking a couple from you

[DanielHabenicht]

@DanielHabenicht does that include component cost? I think that might be additional...

Ahh, yes! I did not notice the 0 for Component costs. I added them to my cart now so they will be reviewed and component cost will be added. I will update this thread then.

[DanielHabenicht]

I've got the final price:

181$ for 5 ≈ 36$
If you are still interested just write back.

[davenewham]

@DanielHabenicht sure, but that still seems like pre tax and shipping so I expect it to cost even more!

In that case, I would only really be interested in one PCB for the time being (if that's OK)

[jwhengeveld]

Yes! I would like one piece!

[DanielHabenicht]

Alright, if there is one more who wants a piece more I will order.

[Uriziel01]

@DanielHabenicht I would like to buy one, I'm located in Poland. Did you used the latest revision avilable (it was updated 9 days ago)?

[Uriziel01]

I've also tried exporting the BOM and pick&place files to try JLCPCB and the cost seems a little bit better at around $120 but currently they don't have the MEMS and I had to replace one of the inductors with a slightly higher capacitance one + crystal oscillator is not exactly the same, probably not the best idea to experiment when this will be the first iteration and if something is wrong I'll have nothing to compare any measurements against 😉 Maybe it's a interesting concept for the future, PCB quality (especially silk screen) if slightly worse in JLCPCB but the price is almost always better for simple PCBs.

[justLV]

Feel free to, only thing I'd caution is to make sure JLC gets the part placement correct & the correct parts, sometimes their library parts are really badly named. Had issues where they put on incorrect components, and didn't follow the specified rotation of U1 even after manually confirming which was painful to rework.

The MEMS mics are probably the most expensive part at $5 per PCB so that's probably some of the difference

[Uriziel01]

@DanielHabenicht I've just got back my final price from PCBWAY and it's almost $200 😁 So I'll definitely take 1 from your order please. Just let me know how to pay you and whats the price for shipping from DE -> PL

[DanielHabenicht]

Sorry, I did not have time in the last few days. If anybody is more knowledgeable about all of this I am happy for somebody else to order.
It's the first time for me and I literally just clicked on the order link on the shared project from this repository: https://www.pcbway.com/project/shareproject/Onju_Voice_d33625a1.html (which should be from the release 9 days ago)

I've just seen they also changed the Crystal oscillator on my order.
I uploaded the xlsx so you can have a look.
T-1E4W641674A-5sets-onju-voice-bom(2023-10-11).xls

[Uriziel01]

I sadly don't have time to handle this and then also handle shipping all the boards to all of your guys, so please feel free to make an order in pcbway and I'm more than happy to pay your. Thank you.

[DanielHabenicht]

Sure, I am happy to order and distribute it to you. I just want to be sure to order something that works. So, is the change of the crystal oscillator ok?

[Uriziel01]

Nice, they replaced it with 12uF one, even when seiko epson does produce identical 10uF variants (Q22FA12800101) or even ABRACON with lower/higher ±ppm but not one with different spec, have no idea how load capacitance affects freqency and/or frequency stability, but I would rather not thest this on my own first batch PCB, just to be on the safe side.

@justLV You've designed it, you're the expert here, help 😄

EDIT:
Looking at ESP32 spec they do in fact insist on the 10uF, 10ppm crystal.

[don86nl]

Sure, I am happy to order and distribute it to you. I just want to be sure to order something that works. So, is the change of the crystal oscillator ok?

Hi @DanielHabenicht , do you happen to have one more spare to share? :-)

[DanielHabenicht]

Sure, I am happy to order and distribute it to you. I just want to be sure to order something that works. So, is the change of the crystal oscillator ok?

Hi @DanielHabenicht , do you happen to have one more spare to share? :-)

You can surely have one, but I haven't ordered yet. I don't know wheter the substitution of the one component would be working, so until I can confirm it working or get the right part I won't order.

[don86nl]

Sure, I am happy to order and distribute it to you. I just want to be sure to order something that works. So, is the change of the crystal oscillator ok?

Hi @DanielHabenicht , do you happen to have one more spare to share? :-)

You can surely have one, but I haven't ordered yet. I don't know wheter the substitution of the one component would be working, so until I can confirm it working or get the right part I won't order.

Ah, I was hoping you wouldve gotten an answer by now. If you do find the answer and order a batch, I'd like to get one off you.

[TheZoker]

I'm also very interested and I live near Munich 👍

[ezerez]

I just got a quote back from PCBWay and they dont seem to have changed anything on the BOM. Do you have to check the components one by one if there was a change or do they remark when they dont have something in stock? Duty pre paid to Germany would be 244 USD for 5.

[pl0ink]

I suggest you all wait a moment before ordering the PCB's.
I just received my order from PCBWay and there seems to be a problem with the PSRAM.
I have tested 3 boards, all have the same issue: Memory allocation failed!
Will investigate further in the weekend.

Well turned out to be user error. I used an other board as devboard before and it uses a a different PSRAM mode.
After setting it to the correct PSRAM mode it works, and audio replay works.
Mic not working yet, probably screwed something up with pin def.
Will update.

Well, my mistake again.
To make the Mic work you need to attach the small ribbon cable connecting the Mute button and power connector.
Without this connection the ESP board is on constant mute.
But because this ribbon cable and the connectors are very fragile and you can not access the USB connector when the Nest mini is fully assembled, you might want to develop and test with only the USB cable and speaker attached.
To temporary ignore / disable the mute function just comment out this line: // pinMode(MUTE, INPUT_PULLUP);

Anyway, the boards I got from PCBWay appear to work well, build quality is very good.
I'm happy with them, sorry for the confusion. :-)

[qnlbnsl]

Anyone wanting to group buy in US? I want to get a few of these as well.

[bedbug1226]

Would be nice if someone just ordered a butt load and sold them on etsy or something.

[LordNex]

I just put in an order or I’d join you. Waiting for the review to finish. If you don’t go gold. You can get them down a little cheaper Benjamin T Powers On Nov 5, 2023, at 10:05 PM, bedbug1226 ***@***.***> wrote:  Would be nice if someone just ordered a butt load and sold them on etsy or something. — Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub<#8 (comment)>, or unsubscribe<https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/ACGXNJE3P5FNK74N525N5M3YDBHYFAVCNFSM6AAAAAA34K6S4SVHI2DSMVQWIX3LMV43OSLTON2WKQ3PNVWWK3TUHMYTOOJUGA2TCNBZHA>. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread.Message ID: ***@***.***>

[dpetrillo740]

I'm also interested and in the US.

[LordNex]

Was looking at 5 myself. But the initial build plus components was like +$150USD. It may be smarter for us to group together and import and resell these Of course we still need a source for containerization of both the firmware and case design but we would just need to find a source. Obviously giving a good % back to @ justLV. I don't have an 3D printer yet or we could LiDAR the basic design and thing-a-ma or PCBWay the plastics. I have 4 I need to replace. I'd love to do my Lenovo Google Display somehow. Benjamin T Powers On Nov 7, 2023, at 7:10 PM, Dave Petrillo ***@***.***> wrote:  I'm also interested and in the US.

[LordNex]

Sorry, email replies look like shit on here.

[DanielHabenicht]

I just got a quote back from PCBWay and they dont seem to have changed anything on the BOM. Do you have to check the components one by one if there was a change or do they remark when they dont have something in stock? Duty pre paid to Germany would be 244 USD for 5.

You have to look into the BOM Excel they provide (under "Quoted BOM" Button). It is not displayed in the UI if they change something. If there are no entries in the "Actual Purchase Mfg Part#" Column then they used exactly the specified components. That's at least what I hope (I have no experience with ordering these).

If we are getting more and more people it should probably get cheaper...

Here's a table of all requests, feel free to edit or add yourself:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/12665xjQDnMFgY-_ZgX68pbzb8GG_iQU4DQ2IfGRLkJY/edit?usp=sharing

[Chaphasilor]

I'm interested in ordering 1 assembled PCB (Germany).
I'd be fine with ordering a batch of 5 and then redistributing the rest :)

[PlanetSmasher]

then I would like to join you with 1 piece to start with.
I think it should be around 40 € per Piece for Germany if your quote is much higher we need to write i guess.

If it turns out to be working nice I think i want more aswell. 😃

[luckyzor]

I'm from Belgium and I wanted 1 to test, if ok 5 later.

[denisjoshua]

I think that someone that know how to order the PCBs,
must make a google worksheet or a Telegram/WhatsAPP group for the country
and we must trust that person to sent the money and place the order... that's all.

So is there anyone that want to make it for Italy ? (or Germany)
Thanks
Denis

[xMase]

https://t.me/onjuvoice

I have created a telegram group with topics, if anyone have any suggestions it's really appreciated.

[Patrickpopp]

@Chaphasilor I would also take one for testing if you want to order 5.

[Kiremas]

If anyone is interested in the Netherlands: I have 4 left from my second batch, and 2 defective Nests.

[timonvanhasselt]

@Kiremas. Hi, I am interested for 1 or 2 (and from NL)
best. Timon.

[Kiremas]

@timonvanhasselt Do you have an account on the HAS community so we can DM?
I'm there under the same nick.

[PlanetSmasher]

I have registered on HomeAssistant Community aswell. ( ColorYourWorld )
I do not have telegram, so I am unable to join the discussion there.

[bradgateasylum]

Any one doing (or want to do) a UK buy? I would like to get two PCBs

[jobrajac]

I have some extra PCBs in Norway if anyone's interested.

[Kerem1123]

We can provide you with customized PCBA services. If you are interested, please contact us.

www.pcbaaa.com

[dreimer1986]

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[bradgateasylum]

I have some extra PCBs in Norway if anyone's interested.

I am interested in a few if you can wait for payday at the end of the month give me a shout :-)

[jobrajac]

I have some extra PCBs in Norway if anyone's interested.

I am interested in a few if you can wait for payday at the end of the month give me a shout :-)

Send me an email

[kisst]

Hey all,

I have a few spare, I ordered 5 as that was the minumum order at PCBWAY , but I did not manage to install the firmware on either of them, most likely just missing knowhow, but could be faulty hw, I have no clue, but either way I am happy to send one of my spare, with one of mine for for free including post, if you pinky promise to send me back at least one which is flushed and ready to use, I spent so far acumulatly a good 4-5 full days with zero luck so I have to admit defeat, alternativly if you can help me to make it work, then I will send yours ready to use.
( I'm based in Switzerland )

The issues I run into so far:
From local esphome web browser:

Failed to initialize. Try resetting your device or holding the BOOT button while selecting your serial port until it starts preparing the installation.

web.esphome:

Failed to execute 'open' on 'SerialPort': Failed to open serial port.

Arduino:
COM3 does not exist

I tried from Linux, I tried windows, I tried all kind of driver, all 5 boards, they keep disconnecting restarting etc etc.

[denisjoshua]

I am happy to send one of my spare, with one of mine for for free including post, if you pinky promise to send me back at least one which is flushed and ready to use,

I'm live in Milan (ITA) and I can try to make it work if you want... but I'll turn back in Italy only on 03.november.
Let me know if in the mean time you'll find another one that help you.

[docgalaxyblock]

@kisst German here.
I own an already in production pcb and have a second one from that batch that is not flashed yet.
I could try flashing your boards too since I could verify it woth my not flashed one.
I assume my the other one has no hw defect too.

[joukepouke-pers]

@kisst Hi, I can definitely flash your boards for you if you would like.
EDIT: I am based in Netherlands and I can pay the shipping myself

Also, try this:

you may need to install USB bridge drivers as detailed by Espressif, don’t worry if name is incorrect

Install usb bridge drivers

Also, if this doesn't work, can I buy 1 of your spares?

[Kiremas]

Hey all,

I have a few spare, I ordered 5 as that was the minumum order at PCBWAY , but I did not manage to install the firmware on either of them, most likely just missing knowhow, but could be faulty hw, I have no clue, but either way I am happy to send one of my spare, with one of mine for for free including post, if you pinky promise to send me back at least one which is flushed and ready to use, I spent so far acumulatly a good 4-5 full days with zero luck so I have to admit defeat, alternativly if you can help me to make it work, then I will send yours ready to use. ( I'm based in Switzerland )

The issues I run into so far: From local esphome web browser:

Failed to initialize. Try resetting your device or holding the BOOT button while selecting your serial port until it starts preparing the installation.

web.esphome:

Failed to execute 'open' on 'SerialPort': Failed to open serial port.

Arduino: COM3 does not exist

I tried from Linux, I tried windows, I tried all kind of driver, all 5 boards, they keep disconnecting restarting etc etc.

Be sure to hold the boot button pressed when you connect the usb cable.
If you don't, the board keeps resetting.

[miloit]

Is there a spare part of the pcb so I can buy it ??? I am located in Germany.....

@kisst

[kisst]

The installation of esp-idf and the esp-usb-bridge and holding the boot button, and a new USB cable, and who knows what else made a difference, I managed to install it now, although in terms of functionality I have open questions, but that's off-topic here, however practically the original issue is solved.
So from my 5 I have 1 in use, I want to keep one spare ( for a 2nd device ) , so I have 3 to pass on, in the order of the comments, will distribute it to be fair, please share some kind of contact method so I will know which bathroom wall I need to leave a message on to get in touch with you about the shipment, or if I figure out an alternative I will get it touch.

[PlanetSmasher]

@kisst good to hear

I am still interested in one, I do not know if the others before me have already one, so I will take my place in the queue :) (Germany as a destination)

will you tell us what price you want for the boards?

I am on Matrix, got E-Mail, Mastodon and Jabber (Maybe I can find my old ICQ creds 🤣 ) you tell me what you want :)

#edit: My E-Mail is: PlanetSmasher @ fjvn.de

[joukepouke-pers]

@kisst great that you succeeded. You can contact me on email([email protected]) or discord(joukepouke).

[TheZoker]

@kisst I'm also interested in one, if one is still available :)

My discord name is the same as my github handle (thezoker). Thanks!

[joukepouke-pers]

@kisst hi, any updates?

[d33pz0n3r]

I would also like to have one or two boards. Is anyone ordering in the near future? Otherwise I could also order. I'm based in Germany near the Dutch border. Pickup is possible in Münsterland, Enschede, Ruhr area. Or just shipping.

[PlanetSmasher]

@kisst
I wanted to ask if you have already found some people here from the list to whom you are distributing your remaining boards.

[joukepouke-pers]

@PlanetSmasher we kinda got scammed...