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CSS items should only belong to a single group #238
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The underlying question is: is there a 1-n relationship between a group and properties. In other cases, does a property always belong to one single group? To answer this, we first need a definition of what is a group. Is it a spec (with a CSS2 "supergroup") or is it something else? Like a group of properties that work well together and have a logical connection (with the hypothesis that a reader will often want to navigate from one to the other). On the dual side here, the question is also what do we want from the sidebar? What are we trying to achieve there? I got anecdotical feedback (in opposition to my gut feeling) that we should just list all properties as we never get them right. Is this correct? Have we conducted any user testing here? I'm ok to change the schema here, but I think we should take the time of a thorough analysis + user-testing to get the sidebar right. Once we know what we want, the "how" should be pretty straightforward. |
In CSS things belong to one module, Box Alignment - which is where all this comes up - defines things like the alignment properties which were originally part of flexbox, but the flexbox spec tells people to refer to box alignment in future. The gap properties - were in grid and multicol, are now specified in Box Alignment. I think it makes sense that we have these things in a Box Alignment group, and then use other methods to explain the relationship between specs. Otherwise we get the confusing state that |
I agree with this, but doing "a thorough analysis + user-testing" should not block the proposal made above. We don't have any current plans or resources to rework sidebars from the ground up, so there's no date we can expect to have it done by. Meanwhile the CSS sidebars on MDN are rather broken in a lot of instances. So I think we should make a fix to the sidebars that keeps the same basic conception and infrastructure, and decouple that from a ground-up redesign. I can think of one alternative to the proposal here: fix the csssyntax macro so it does a better job of representing multiple groups. I think this would be OK, but it's not my recommendation for a couple of reasons:
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The proposal specified here makes sense to me, at least as a short term solution to the sidebars being somewhat broken. In the future, we can then also go forward and work out a plan for updating those sidebars further, with user testing, etc. My only comment is - are there any instances left in CSS where things are not divided up cleanly into modules, and we'd want to have the things in a certain sidebar to not just relate cleanly to the whole of a module? Anything older, from CSS2 or whatever? If this was the case, then perhaps we'd need to rename "groups" to "group" instead of "module", to allow for such an eventuality? The specified group would usually be just a module, but sometimes wouldn't be? I think this is basically @teoli2003 's concern too, but I agree we should think about it a little before proceeding. |
I think pretty much things that are defined in CSS2 are also mentioned in another module (even if the definition needs referring back to the CSS2 spec). I might be wrong but I can't think of anything obvious. I think if we can make them a bit better in the short term, then we take a look at them as a whole and see what an ideal solution would look like and test that. |
OK, let's go for it then. Even if we did suddenly come up against something very specific that doesn't fit neatly in a module, we can always make up a name for it like "CSS2-featureblah" or something. |
Part 1: #239 |
I'm unclear reading this what the final proposal was. My thought is that we should do this: Change
We can then use the primary group name when building the sidebar, while still offering the other group or groups (defined as a string or array of strings) for additional information. For instance, the sidebar could be revised to list "Related technologies:" followed by links to the secondary groups, if any. That would very much simplify cleanup of the sidebar while allowing the addition of extra value at the same time. Not to mention establishing an explicit connection to the specification. Then add a |
@rachelandrew is working on sorting out the MDN docs on grid/flexbox/box alignment, and pointed out that the sidebars for these items don't make sense. It seems that part of the reason for this is that some of these items are marked as belonging to multiple "groups" in the metadata. I'd like to propose that we change the data so as to only allow an item to belong to a single group.
CSS data contains a property
groups
. The docs say:In most cases,
groups
only contains a single item, but in a few cases it contains more than one. For example,break-after
:Unfortunately the macro used to build CSS sidebars on MDN, CSSRef.efs, isn't very good at dealing with this situation, and the sidebars tend to come out incoherent. Here's the structure of the sidebar for
column-gap
, with annotations to show its problems:We could fix the macro here to handle multiple group better, but I'm starting to think that we would be better to say an item can only belong to a single group. If an item can only belong to one group, then the semantics are clear: it belongs to the group (aka module) whose spec currently defines it. If its definition moves from one spec to another (as, for example,
align-items
moving from flexbox to box alignment) then the group changes.We could do this in the following stages:
groups
array contains only one group. This would fix the sidebars, while not breaking any client which expectsgroups
to be an array.module
which is a single string, and deprecategroups
.groups
, to usemodule
insteadgroups
What do you think?
groups
, and if so, are you able to update?The text was updated successfully, but these errors were encountered: