Training Effect Not Calculated

[ycazam]

Hi all,

New User and I'm working with the following setup:
Garmin Forerunner 265
Peloton Bike+
Window App GUI

Looking for help on ultimately VO2 Max. But for now, Training Effect and Load were not calculated on my most recent ride on the Peloton, or the 10ish from before I selected to sync. Garmin Connect does show the training effect for any of the imported Peloton ride.

My method was to broadcast data from watch to bike, and also start a separate activity from the watch itself.

The resulting sync from P2G does provide great stats like HR, Power, Cadence, Speed, Intensity Minutes and even TSS/IF does calculate. But it is missing Training Effect and Load, and Temperature but that is less important.

Am I missing anything? I also created an account on Tacx. I also tried to do the sync after changing the device info to the same that matches my native Garmin watch activity (except Manufacturer ID which I set to 1, couldnt find that). Convert to FIT and Upload to FIT are selected.

Was I not supposed to also start an activity from my watch?
Is there anyway to download the almost 100% perfect file from P2G and add/merge the missing data from my native Garmin activity?
Do I have to wait some time for it to be calculated? I waited a few hours and nothing changed.

Any help is appreciated.

[mcgonago]

I am in the same boat - I am also using the Peloton To Garmin (P2G) application to sync my activities to garmin.

Yes - everything is there except Training Effect.

Without Training Effect - Training Status and Load are not recorded.

I have read elsewhere that Garmin calculates Training Load using Firstbeat Analytics - which requires specific data (hardware?) from your watch.

This specific data is not pulled down by P2G for upload to Garmin connect.

I am pretty sure we are s%Ht out of luck here.

Any help is appreciated.

[mcgonago]

Thinking...

When on the Peloton - you can go to HR on your watch, select options, and hit Broadcast HR to Peloton.

Then - start a indoor bike activity at the same time you start Peloton workout...

Stop and save Garmin activity at end.

I "think" the Garmin will only have raw metrics for Training Effect - not all the other nice things the P2G includes in their .tcx files

Will try it...

[mcgonago]

Bug with P2G saved tcx files

You need to rename the TrackPoint (with capital P) to Trackpoint (lowercase P) before uploading to Garmin connect

[ycazam]

Bug with P2G saved tcx files

You need to rename the TrackPoint (with capital P) to Trackpoint (lowercase P) before uploading to Garmin connect

Did that end up working for you?

Do you now get Training Effect?

Are you also on Forerunner 265? I chatted Garmin support and they 'assured me' it wouldnt work with Tacx, and said it should work with Zwift. I havent yet tried to spoof the file to make it appear as such.

[mcgonago]

Tried using the watch "broadcast HR" - Peloton does see it...

As expected - Training Effect is not included in saved .tcx

99% certain - the only way to get Garmin Training Effect score is to record activity from the watch

Garmin does not export (expose) its data for how it determines Training Effect (Firstbeat Analytics)

Though - I seem to recall Zwift rides that get uploaded to Garmin do have Training Effect. That fact seems
to indicate that Peloton could do whatever Zwift does when uploading activities to Garmin?

[mcgonago]

The change allowed all the graphs and tracking data to show up - except Training Effect I have read - the only way to get garmin training effect metrics is to capture activity using (on) the watch There is a chance - broadcasting HR to peloton - and then using p2g - training effect may show up (with no graphs of other cadence, speed, power, …) Pushing activity to Strava through peloton app shows all data (Strava generates its own training (relative) effect) I would be ok with training effect only on Garmin (the training load metrics on Garmin are my go to for fitness tracking) Will let you know what I find

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[philosowaffle]

Training Effect has been a difficult metric to solve in the past, it works for some people and not for others, I'm not sure we have ever isolated exactly why that is.

For what its worth, TE and Load both show up without issue on my P2G synced workouts.

1. My personal watch is a Fenix
2. My HR zones are configured on Garmin connect
3. I dont use my watch at all on the Peloton, I just wear an HR monitor connected to the bike
4. P2G is configured to upload the FIT file
5. P2G is configured to use the default Tacx device
6. I do not have an account on Tacx

[ycazam]

Hey, I have been luck with some warm temps outside, and have learn to dress for the cold so I havent needed to get back on the trainer until later today... Thanks for following up bud!

To respond of some of the thoughtful points you made:

• No, I do not have power meter pedals on your real bike. Only the Peloton which is built in.

• I think my maximum heart rate and heart rate zones configured correctly? I had two HRs set (one default and a lower one for Bike Activities). I have since set them to match my lower bike Max HR (181)

• I have no vo2 max results, likely from not having a Power Meter on my actual bike, and not doing any running which can also measure vo2 (although not sure if both exercises have their own vo2 caluclations) Based on your screenshots, it seems you have one from Running and one from Cycling?

• HR Zones are based off of my Percent of Max HR and using the default I believe.. 50%-60%/60-70/70-80/80-90/90%-100%

• Does LTHR matter at all? I set it to what I estimate to be mine, at 144.

• Power Zones are set up correctly I think, based off an FTP test I do around monthly on the PTon, (last test was 223W, and they are on the default zone settings). I havent touched Running or XC Ski Power Zones also in that menu area.

I gather you have Power Meters on your outdoor bike? That might be the crux of the issue, as it sounds everything else you have setup I am reasonably configured too.

I have not reached out to Garmin, but as I will be ramping up indoor training in the next few weeks, that is my next step.

[ycazam]

And based on the article you shared.. I think you are onto something:

"Before your Garmin Connect™ account can analyze Tacx or third party activities, a cycling activity needs to be uploaded from a Training Status capable device and a VO2 Max must be established. After an activity has been uploaded from a training app, you will need to sync your training status device with your Garmin Connect account for Training Status to update on the Garmin device then sync back to your account."

Well shucks. How can I do that without a power meter on a bike? Borrow someone? Or maybe I can spoof it some other way.

Sorry if this was previously mentioned on the thread or in the documentation, feel like I wasted all your time here now.

[ycazam]

Also, I do have training status working fine.

Wonder if by training my running and establishing a vo2 in that exercise, if it will carry over and allow for the cycling one to kick in and work like it does for you.

Guess I am running soon to give it a shot...

[mcgonago]

I think in summary a few things are important

• garmin needs 2+ weeks of activities that include v02 measurements
• I got the v02 from runs and zwift rides

I do not have power pedals

Zwift power is pretty accurate

My guess? A few runs will help

Not sure if you have tried zwift - ton of fun

[ycazam]

How do you use Zwift? From what I see it does look fun.

Can I use my PTon for it?

What is your setup like?